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Aug 5, 2022Liked by Irina Slav

The best battery on earth is a full tank of gas. I simply don't trust EVs to not go the way of my laptop or phone and just decide that they are out of a charge

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Aug 5, 2022Liked by Irina Slav

I’d get an EV for local use. With dogs, grandkids and sports gear I need a large vehicle for my regular 200 mile trips to the coast - the larger EVs frankly don’t compete on luggage space or range with my very large 4x4.

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Aug 5, 2022Liked by Irina Slav

I cannot trust or believe-knowing the sourcing for EV power or batteries are rare earth minerals is primarily controlled by the CCP; an entity focused on eliminating global freedom

and enhancing control over populations.

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Aug 5, 2022Liked by Irina Slav

I don't even like 'new' ICE cars for their electronics. I like older cars with dials and gauges. A manual transmission is far more controllable. It's more like riding a horse and yes, you have to use your brain to drive it. Me and my beloved 2002 Audi TT.

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Aug 5, 2022Liked by Irina Slav

EVs are a thing for the sunny days without issues. I remember very dark winter weeks with temperatures constantly well below zero degree Celsius. I do not buy the argument that EVs would work well in such circumstances. The world of today has not understood that dependencies weakens and systems working independently from another are strengthening your survival chances.

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Aug 5, 2022Liked by Irina Slav

We live in western Canada, and routinely drive places that are far off the major highways, where chargers are beginning to be installed. "Range anxiety" is a real issue. If I lived in a major centre like Vancouver and had a car that I needed only to get around town, I might consider an EV

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Aug 5, 2022Liked by Irina Slav

Aside from subjective considerations the bigger question around BEVs has to do with government subsidies totaling around $10,000 for the purchase of a new electric vehicle. These are simply an undeserved gift to a segment of the population that has the discretionary income to squander on an electric vehicle - and aside from virtue signaling - this accomplishes nothing with regard to the climate.

On technical grounds batteries are the lowest energy density power source for traction vehicles --- coming in at around 1 MJ/kg vs 10 MJ/kg for ICEs. They make no sense as a technical solution.

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Aug 5, 2022Liked by Irina Slav

Additional thought: here in Germany gvmt is considering the idea that owners of EV are to be cut off the grid in case the state needs to divert the energy to other consumers. Same with heat pumps. Put this together with the constant surveillance apparatus, your car will in the future either not be charged, if somebody on the state level decides so, or it will not got to the destination you've programmed, e.g. to participate in a anti-government demonstration. Put this together with the brand-new tendency (Irina reported about) to distribute CO2-passports, "they" can oppress you in any way "they" want.

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1. Spontaneous combustion of batteries - sometimes while being driven.

2. Tires wear out faster - from the weight of the car.

3. Range goes way down when you are running the AC, and we use the AC a lot in Texas. Same thing when you run the heater in winter.

4. Fuel burned at the place you need the energy is more efficient that fuel burned in a power plant miles away and all the transmission losses along the way. I’m guessing the emissions for an EV charged on the grid may be more than an ICE car - no one wants to do that study!!

5. Cost of battery replacement when it needs to be replaced, and the disposal of the battery is a real problem so far. Recycling needs to improve before it is practical to have everyone driving EVs.

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Aug 5, 2022Liked by Irina Slav

My reasons for not buying. 1) cost, way too pricey, 2) lack of enough EV chargers to make it worth it at this time, 3) the adverse affect of cold on the batteries which affects the operational range, 4) the adverse affect of severe heat (think over 40c which we see in the Deserts of the USA) which while possibly increasing range causes battery degradation, 5) EVs keep popping up catching on fire spontaneously and battery fires don’t like water and need alternate means to put out, 6) the USA grid or any Grid is not anywhere ready for massive EV incorporation, and 7) the minerals needed are currently (for the most part) only available from China which has many challenges and issues around that fact.

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Aug 5, 2022Liked by Irina Slav

To me they don’t make sense

1 - way more expensive to purchase

2 - resell value seems iffy. Who wants a car dependent on a used battery.

3 - they weigh a lot and this makes them pollute the air due to micro rubber coming off the tires

4- how are they good for the environment when the mining of minerals needed to produce them is very bad for the environment and they cannot be easily recycled

5 - charging stations are not keeping up with demand and this could get you in a difficult position.

6 - there is a shortage of expert mechanics that can service them and also auto repair shops that do work on them.

7- the batteries will stock pile and perhaps the cars also when we get to many in the road. New technology could obsolete them quickly.

That’s just my list. I would not buy one.

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I would consider it as a second car. But that would be an expensive second car.

Also I routinely take 7 hour drives, not sure evs are up to that task yet with out long pit stops.

The acceleration is intriguing though.

I always thought the mild 48volt hybrid made the most sense at increasing milage on the most amount of cars. But the people who want batteries want big batteries they can plugin.

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I'm not convinced Chinese global hegemony is a good thing. Regardless of what Davos wants.

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Never buy one - I want my electronics in my office not my car!

I want my cars "old school" with me in control and I don't want them tell me what to do... so maybe I'm a control freak?

I live in Texas - way out in the middle of nowhere... who would come get me if I ran out of juice. I might make it to Ft Worth - but 3 hours to Dallas - I don't want to stay there over night just for a road trip.

I don't want to support the Chinese.

Or Elon Musk - my tax dollars are doing that.

Don't believe in tax dollars going to support corporations, if it isn't a good product then it won't sell enough to make a profit, at least that's how it used to be, then it would go away.

Too expensive and I'm too practical, not a yuppie.

The last thing - I like my behind too much to see it go up in flames one day!

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I enjoy ICE cars as an enthusiast. EVs are soulless; no sound, no vibration, no engagement, no dynamism, etc. EVs are also the worst when it comes to actually owning the vehicle. Tesla will brick your car if you mess with the software, so all you can do to tweak it would be suspension, wheels, and weight reduction along with general aesthetic changes. With my car I can tune the engine to my liking and add as many parts as I feel like without issue. For example, I have an E85 software map for my car as well as a pump gas performance map, a pump gas eco map, and a stock map. I have family members/friends with EVs and they like them, but they drive maybe 20 minutes a day and charge them overnight. I think the best "solution" for most people would be plug-in hybrids as they use much less battery material than a full EV, deliver good performance, and have unlimited range in hybrid mode. One of my family members has a PIH and hasn't bought gas since he bought it due to short commutes in EV mode. What's great is that he always has the option to drive it in hybrid mode for road trips or towing. When you compare this to a Tesla, you're going the same distance every day with zero tailpipe emissions with probably 1/10th as much battery volume as the Tesla. FYI it's a RAV4 XSE Prime. Got it for $54k IIRC. Good car thus far.

Regardless, I like gas cars because I'm an enthusiast and although high-end EVs are REALLY fast off the line, they're just not that much fun beyond that. For everyone else, I think plug-in hybrid vehicles make a lot more sense than EVs. Hell, maybe even nat gas ICE would work. I've seen some home-brew NG conversions that work well.

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Aug 5, 2022Liked by Irina Slav

I am ideally suited for an EV - low mileage, short journeys, able to home charge. However, I am not in the market for a new car. If I was, I would not want to pay the premium for EV. Also, the overall environmental impact of building an EV (rare earths, etc) would be worse than keeping my diesel SUV running for as long as possible.

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Aug 5, 2022Liked by Irina Slav

Am I right to think that someone at Tesla in California can tweak the software in a Tesla anywhere in the world ? If so, a hacker could do it. Very frightening.

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Aug 5, 2022·edited Aug 5, 2022

EVs are built and powered by fossil fuels.

If you could build and power the entire EV with electricity that came from hydro, geothermal or nuclear then you might have something. Keep in mind energy travels down hill from high order to lower order. Energy is neither created or destroyed. If you build and power an EV with fossil fuels then you are farthest away from the source of energy you used. In other words you are farther downhill. Sorry folks, but thats how energy works for normal people.

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Aug 5, 2022·edited Aug 5, 2022Liked by Irina Slav

Come to my neighborhood, every house has 2 piles with an 80% chance it is a luxury pile.

Max 5 years per pile and then onto a fresh new smell pile. The bigger the pile the better.

They love their piles so much its payments and interest all the way. One neighbor got ostracized because they got their kid a liddle chevy pile, we felt for the pile.

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When I was in college a $20 bill would buy 80 gallons of gas. Is it really that much more expensive now?

I like to travel by car across the western US. It can be 100 miles between gas stations, but there are NO chargers at all. And if you did find one how long would you be there?

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I am a long distance driver, being child and benefactor of the Interstate Highway System, so EV still don’t make any practical sense for me. I still love the thrill of driving across America and feeling like Easy Rider again. I have driven over 5 million miles and owned 11 truck stop on my resume.

At 78, I will likely die in a ICE.

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Aug 5, 2022·edited Aug 5, 2022Liked by Irina Slav

My family owns two Teslas. The first one, we bought 8 years ago. It's not because we are greenies. We aren't. It's because they are a better mousetrap. Acceleration and handling are remarkable. No trips to the gas station. We charge overnight in the garage for much less than gas. Less maintenance. More technologically advanced.

The only downside is long trips when you have to wait at a charging location for 30 to 45 minutes for an 80% charge. For that, we have a fullsize pickup with a V8 hemi. Given unreliability of electricity in my state, we'll always have an ICE as well.

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P.S. Truck stop restaurants.

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Aug 5, 2022Liked by Irina Slav

I am totally with you on the manual transmission thing. It forces you to engage in driving and pay attention. Also quite fun in a sports car.

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Aug 5, 2022·edited Aug 5, 2022Liked by Irina Slav

Big "R" word - Reliability decreases with increase in interdependencies of software, hardware (mechanical) and electrical components. A simple probability theory will tell you this....more failure modes, warranty costs pile up! This is not good for the environment or ecology! Lower reliability means lower sustainability, higher costs, and higher carbon footprint.....the older mechanically-oriented autos are much better in this regard. This EV hysteria a way to commoditize and financialize the rare earth materials until they last....this is only good for financial speculation and not a good engineering solution.

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Aug 5, 2022Liked by Irina Slav

1. I don't like being mandated what I should use MY hard earned money to purchase.

3. EVs are VERY limited on range. Of course the government loves that, they don't want us to go too far, do they?

3. The size of the battery on an EV is HUGE and not disposable.

4. Why are the powers that be so suddenly and so desperate for everyone to be driving EVs when the infrastructure does NOT exist? that is the critical question that must be answered!

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Aug 5, 2022Liked by Irina Slav

for people living in cities with no parking space of their own, it's a non starter. for people who do have their own, you need to pay for infrastructure. where you don't (i.e. subsidy), you are stealing from poorer people who can not afford EV/have no parking space of their own. they are STUPIDLY hogging battery material compared to plug in hybrids - most people drive 30, 40 km per day tops. they can do that milage on mostly batterty in a hybrid. you can put 5 hybrids on the road for one Tesla and get 5X the carbon reduction. and - if properly adopted, and knowing what we know about the grid, they will make very beautiful paperweights, if you can lift them in the parking lot to put some papers under the wheels.

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Aug 5, 2022Liked by Irina Slav

Given current infrastructure, I do not want to have to choose between running the a/c at my house or charging a car to go places and while that isn't necessarily a direct choice at the moment, given what is happening in global energy policy (specifically the EU) it isn't that far fetched. The diversification of sorts seems reasonable at this point in time to me.

To those making the repetitive arguments for hybrid EVs, I don't think the world views hybrid EVs as equivalent to EVs so this survey is about pure EVs which is what seems to be getting press and momentum these days. I would be much more inclined to entertain purchasing an improved hybrid EV over a pure EV over time even though I am a car enthusiast and for some of the reasons listed below enjoy ICE ownership.

I continue to be baffled as to why the industry pushes towards pure EV over hybrid EV in spite of the sense it makes to pursue hybrid EV at the very least as a transition into more EVs if that is in-fact the ultimate objective. This whole green energy movement seems to be fixated on moving from where we are today to where they think they want to be all in one very quick and fell swoop opposed to working in that direction with a logical timeline that would allow for resources to be deployed, systems to be developed and perhaps even objectives being achieved.

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Aug 5, 2022·edited Aug 5, 2022Liked by Irina Slav

No matter the technology, it takes the same amount of energy to drive the same vehicle from "A" to "B".

It just depends upon who will be paying the price for that energy.

What I've found is that the price of the energy for Battery Vehicles is borne by people who are paid next to nothing for their labour:

1. Thousands of children in Congo being paid $1-$2/day to mine cobalt for Battery Vehicle batteries.

China, by the way, is in Congo in a big way.

2. Slave labour (Uyghurs) in China very likely build the batteries for Battery Vehicles.

Also, electricity doesn't have anywhere near the energy-density that oil has. Thus, it takes far, far more electricity to provide the same amount of energy as oil provides. This will cause the price of electricity to sky-rocket, putting more and more people in the cold and dark.

As more Battery Vehicles appear on the road, the demand for electricity and therefore its cost will increase commensurately, making electricity out-of-reach for more and more people.

This means that our societies will slow to a crawl and begin to retreat.

This whole situation is a disaster waiting to happen, a completely avoidable disaster.

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Aug 5, 2022Liked by Irina Slav

I love EVs- I rent them regularly for trips to the Swiss mountains- regen braking during descents is fantastic. However, they really aren’t perfect for every situation. They cost too much and for my use case the payback period would be more than infinity.

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Aug 5, 2022Liked by Irina Slav

1. The premium price for EVs versus ICE vehicles

2. Cost-effective and time-effective charging availability away from home (i.e. road trip).

A comment about software and electronics. My 2002 vehicle had a handful of onboard computers. My 2014 vehicle, same model has over 30 according to the dealer. I think today’s ICE vehicles are equally complex and reliant on software and computers to operate.

That being said, I’m thinking about buying a full hybrid for my long commute. The battery is charged during use, not via plug in. Seems like a reasonable risk to gain 40-50 mpg and reduce my gasoline consumption (at any price). And I don’t need to find a charging station.

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Aug 5, 2022Liked by Irina Slav

I like tech toys and liked the idea of EVs......until I read about all the issues with mining and processing for battery and motor components and power generation. I would hold off on mass EV production until these issues are solved (if ever) and until there is a complete alternative supply chain that does not depend on China. However, if anyone has a free Tesla I would gratefully accept.

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I like the sound and feel of riding in my 67 Camero SS over anything electric. Plus I can still tinker with it.

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Aug 5, 2022Liked by Irina Slav

5. cold weather. a battery killer and significantly shortened power.

6. no charger infrastructure.

7. I can always get a gallon of gas, it's impossible to get a gallon of electricity on the side of the road. 8. 2/3 of the vehicle cost is the batteries to replace. an ICE engine replacement is 10% .

9. electrical fires - special fire extinguisher.

10. anything electrical will always fail, just a question of WHEN, not IF.

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Aug 5, 2022Liked by Irina Slav

EV pros:

- Instant, constant torque (quicker and often times, with a skateboard chassis, lower center of gravity resulting in better handling vs. an equivalent ICE model, towing capacity - if not range - is often higher too)

- Lower "fuel" costs (MPGe)

- Lower service costs (less fluids, fewer parts to break)

- Purchase model (direct to customer vs. dealer model). Obviously this only applies for some manufacturers - right now only EV's

- New SUV / Truck (Rivian, Ford, GM) expand cargo capacity and range options (without the engine, they typically have more cargo capacity than their ICE equivalents)

- Vehicle to home charging option - some vehicles (i.e. can effectively serve as a backup to your home's electric grid, esp. if you also have an ICE car)

- Noise (I guess this depends on your PoV. I do like the sound of a V8... sometimes)

- Ability to charge at home

- Potential future pro (if they can get them to work), solid state batteries might be a game changer for range and charge times. Big if, but some promising developments

- net emissions (electric grid generation is, per unit of measure, cleaner than burning gas in your car)

- Diversity of power source (potential pro) - i.e. we (could) have a well diversified power grid without reliance on any one fuel. Obviously as a single input, that's not the case with gas.

Cons

- Range (number 1 issue IMO). Exacerbated by limited options if you run out of charge (you're almost certainly going to need a tow).

- Charge times (number 2)

- Supply chain and sourcing/availability concerns for the various metals

- Price. Typically (although depends on your comp) on the higher end of the cost spectrum... for now. And regardless of what I think about them, the rebates mitigate this to some extent.

- Battery longevity and replacement costs

- Drain on the grid (i.e. our charging infrastructure is not set up to support mass adoption, and I don't have much hope that this will be reliably addressed in the near future)

- Charging infrastructure: reliability, availability, relative cost (for non-at-home)

Given that most people don't drive upwards of 100 miles a day 90%+ of the time, and especially for people who have access to charging either at home or at work, this means that for the most part range is not a daily concern for most people and also for shorter road trips especially if you're staying overnight and have access to a reasonably fast charger. OTOH it's a big deal for any trip of any significant length (250+ miles one-way. They can be problematic if there's an extended power outage and you don't have a second non-EV car (that goes both ways though, remember the issues we had getting gas after hurricanes in the gulf? Also the back power supply for the house is a nice option for shorter outages).

Overall, and certainly longer term, with (hopefully) better batteries (including better material sourcing), better/expanded charging network, reliable and diversified power grid (nuclear?), I think they're a net plus. Can't see a world in which oil and NG are not still a significant resource; given the propensity for supply side disruptions and possibly higher extraction costs, I think it behooves us to reduce dependency on the demand side - EV's will help. I'm likely a near term adopter.

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Aug 5, 2022Liked by Irina Slav

I buy cheap ICE cars that I can tinker back to health and keep running for a long time. The battery needed for an electrical vehicle will always be so prohibitively expensive that it will rule out that path to affordable transportation. The first thing to fail in an ICE vehicle are its electrical components.

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1,Our grids are already massively overstressed due to insane energy policies whereby we replace reliable sources of energy (eg nat gas, nuclear) with intermittent sources that cannot perform reliably during times of temperature extremes. Now imagine a situation in which millions of cars are hooked into that same grid to power up their EVs. What could possibly go wrong?

2. The Ukraine conflict (and the weaponisation of gas by Russia) shows the dangers of leaving our energy security in the hands of forces potentially hostile to us. But shifting to EVs will simply repeat the same mistake all over again, this time with China, rather than Russia. Rushing to replace gasoline-powered cars with electric vehicles would hand the keys to the American or European transportation sector to China, given Beijing’s near-monopoly on rare-earth elements like neodymium and dysprosium, which are used in the high-output motors of most electric vehicles.

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My ICE car, a BMW X3 diesel costs $30 NZD to complete a daily round trip of 100km and requires servicing 3 times a year not to mention additional maintenance. My EV a BMW i3 costs $4 to complete the same trip, is a joy to drive and requires servicing once every two years. Also with far less moving parts I expect the maintenance requirements to be significantly less then the ICE car. A no brainer really.

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we live in the center of a medium sized us city - for us I could see not owning a vehicle at all but utilizing autonomous rental vehicle for daily needs and renting a vehicle for longer trips/vacations - but real world "now" we own quite new ice

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Aug 5, 2022Liked by Irina Slav

Anyone interested in the subject of vehicle CO2 emissions should have a look at this paper.... It should be available for free download from the society of automotive engineers SAE. Senecal is the founder of convergent science, a company specialized in cfd software for combustion simulations. He is a proponent of hybrid vehicles with small battery packs. Have a look at his posts on LinkedIn as well.

A Data-Driven Greenhouse Gas

Emission Rate Analysis for Vehicle

Comparisons

Tristan Burton,1 Scott Powers,2 Cooper Burns,1 Graham Conway,3 Felix Leach,4 and Kelly Senecal 1

1

Convergent Science, Inc, USA

2Los Angeles Dodgers, USA

3Southwest Research Institute, USA

4University of Oxford, UK

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Aug 5, 2022Liked by Irina Slav

I’ve driven a Tesla owned by a friend. It was an awesome drive. It would out-accelerate even the fastest muscle cars of my youth (the 60’s). But, I’m completely against owning one for all the reasons an engineer (me) and all environmentalists should be: it’s really a fossil-fueled car, which I don’t mind, but start being honest about it. The mining required for batteries is heinous. The power density is nowhere near comparable to gas or diesel. It’s a high entropy source, and not thermodynamically competent. It’s not proven to be safe (spontaneous combustion). Also, I have some long trips to drive in the Midwest. Not gonna sit in long lines at charging stations.

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I drive economy, it’s 100% about range and cost to get me to and from work.

On my commute days (I work remote 3 days/week), that’s 105 miles each way, or 210 total.

It would take an enormous discount to current EV prices to get me to give up my 30 mpg Hyundai Elantra, and even then I wouldn’t trust it as much.

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Aug 6, 2022Liked by Irina Slav

If they were cheap as a toyota corrolla i would buy one for the city but keep my Landrover for trips down south 200-450k away. (West Australia -Perth to Dunsborough or Albany) . Before we use up all the worlds Resources, maybe they should aim more for Plug in Hybrids charged from the roof at home and a range of 25k to get to work for most people and stop all the extreme aims. This would clean up the air in the city as a benefit

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Aug 6, 2022Liked by Irina Slav

Irina - You are correct! There is one more critical component. It is the CONTINUOUS (DYNAMIC) INTERACTION among software, electronics, and mechanical hardware elements that causes significant degradation leading to variety of failure modes difficult to diagnose. This causes the reliability to reduce to a point, when the user becomes heavily dependent on a centralized system for frequent repairs or replacement thus leading to the cost of ownership and significant increase in use of fossil fuel (primary foundational energy source) to mitigate these reliability problems....I do not think this is a viable solution by any means.

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Aug 6, 2022Liked by Irina Slav

Spot on.

What the EV zealots also conveniently ignore is the energy-density of oil versus the energy-density of electricity.

Thus, to obtain the same AMOUNT of energy from electricity as is provided by oil costs significantly more.

That's why, for example, the battery pack in an EV is significantly bigger, more expensive, and more difficult to make than a petrol tank in an ICE vehicle.

EV battery packs are not only far more costly to make than ICE vehicle petrol tanks, they require enormous amounts of the Earth's resources - lithium, cobalt, cadmium, carbon - far, far more than petrol tanks.

Moreover, as has been mentioned many times, the electricity infrastructure needed to provide the SAME amount of energy as is currently provided by petrol will have to be significantly greater than it is now. Thus the COST of electricity will rise commensurately, putting more and more people in the cold and dark.

This is all because of the energy-density of the two types of energy sources, i.e., electricity vs. oil.

As I mentioned, this is a completely human-caused AND avoidable disaster waiting to happen.

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Aug 6, 2022·edited Aug 6, 2022

Battery Vehicles remind me of electric lawn mowers.

Notice that one does not see too many battery lawn mowers being used in city parks to cut grass.

We've had electric (battery AND wired) lawn mowers for years and yet cities still use gas-powered lawn mowers in their parks (especially those mowers with 4 turning blades).

Why?

If battery technology is so advanced, why don't we see cities using battery lawn mowers to cut the lawns in their parks?

Because electricity simply does not have anywhere near the energy-density - and therefore the POWER - that petrol does.

Therefore Battery Vehicles, just like electric lawn mowers, when compared to ICE vehicles, are highly limited both in range (e.g., just in urban areas) and in what they can "carry".

I see Battery Vehicles as just toys for the wealthy.

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One major objection I have to EVs is this: governments are bribing people - sorry, "incentivizing" them - into buying EVs.

If EVs are so wonderful, why do governments have to end up bribing people into buying them?

Oh, and guess where our governments get the money to bribe people into buying EVs?

One guess.

Hint: You and me.

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The more I see how much our governments are pushing people - even bribing them - to get them into driving EVs, the more it reminds me of Stalin's push to industrialize the Soviet Union.

And don't forget that Pete Buttigieg, secretary of the US DoT, is a communist like his father, Joseph Buttigieg, was.

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Aug 6, 2022Liked by Irina Slav

Ira,

Electricity, per se, is not the problem; making ENOUGH RELIABLE electricity is the problem.

1. Electricity is secondary energy, not primary energy. Sometimes, it is tertiary energy (wind). Each stage loses efficiency.

2. The grid must more than double to transmit the added power ONLY for battery storage autos. For TOTAL energy demand, the grid must grow SIX times.

Invest in copper.

3. On average, 250 watts/m2 of solar energy reaches the ground; a few percent is convertable into electricity, and one-third of that is lost getting the electricity to a battery.

4. Potential renewable energy to replace fossil fuels, then, is insufficient to charge two billion batteries, light -heat homes, etc. Forget about trucks, buses, and airplanes.

5. Renewable energy is erratic: diurnally, seasonally, annually, and over multiple years to decades AND THEREFORE, requires an equal backup system.

6. The required backup does NOT exist, even in principle, except as fossil fuel/nuclear.

Then, of course, there is no need for the erratic renewable energy!

The direct answer to "who likes EV's", then, is " virtue signalers wishing to avoid petrol taxes" (a temporary situation).

Bill

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Hi Ira,

Anyone who wishes to purchase a battery energy storage auto, can do so. I have no objection.

My sister did. Now, she parks her Tesla outside the garage, for fear of burning down her home, and charges with a BIG extension cord.

For the same money, I can purchase a Porshe and get REAL acceleration. In fact, I have done. WHEEEE!

People need to be educated about REAL pollution. Low information people believe a lot of rubbish. The EXHAUST of the battery EV occurs during fabrication and at the power plant - out of sight - out of mind. That is what I name 'virtue signalling". The vanity plates - "NO EMISSION"- cause me to chuckle over the knuckleheads who believe that nonsense. The battery components: mining, fabrication, etc. cost more than 100,000 miles worth of CO2 (assuming CO2 is a pollutant which it is not). (SEE: https://www.nyteknik.se/fordon/stora-utslapp-fran-elbilarnas-batterier-6851761, and many similar comparison analyses). A detailed accounting always reveals the "MISINFORMATION' promoted by manufacturers. Of course, it is in the interest of the manufacturer to tout the product so as to sell the product. That does not make it factual.

The Battery EV handles well since the center of gravity is very close to the road, just like my Porsche. The MASSIVE 1000 kg battery is the reason. A Tesla has the same curb weight as my 1/2 ton truck. Tires wear out quickly in Teslas. Did you ever consider "tire pollution" or battery recycling? Neither did Tesla.

So, forgive me, it is not "informed decision making". It is just great advertising/indoctrination.

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