1a) The continuing cost of energy for ICE is higher than EVs, and even with cheaper gas it would be 2x or 3x. Fair point, BUT: the up-front premium for comparable vehicles is significantly more. Hell, you don't even need to look at the comparison between similar vehicles, just look at the YoY price increases. If you inten…
1a) The continuing cost of energy for ICE is higher than EVs, and even with cheaper gas it would be 2x or 3x. Fair point, BUT: the up-front premium for comparable vehicles is significantly more. Hell, you don't even need to look at the comparison between similar vehicles, just look at the YoY price increases. If you intended to buy a Tesla to save on cost of gas--most people don't but whatever--just this last year's price hikes would've mooted 1-5 years of fuel costs depending on how much you drive, but most people who own EVs don't drive that much as they can afford to live near their work. Then consider running costs like tire life and you're not saving much from an EV. But I should double-back and say the vast majority of people aren't doing the math, and to be brutally honest if you're doing this much math to buy a vehicle then I would suggest abstaining on that vehicle or buying something used. 99% of people will only think of not paying for gas a means to be smug to people around them.
1b) The Tesla semi cannot haul more than three tons of cargo according to NHTSA limits. The battery makes the vehicle itself far too heavy to be practical and still road-legal. This is coming from someone who has sat inside a Tesla semi. A very cool looking vehicle, but its weight and range/charging problems make it infeasible. The proof is in the pudding as the semi is still not out yet and has been the source of multiple resignations due to Tesla overpromising only for the engineers to say no and then told to do it anyways.
2) See 1a; nonetheless, yeah I would agree running costs are lower if you lease or manage to sell the car at a price that doesn't factor in battery-life depreciation. Having to replace batteries is an endemic issue.
3) Performance-wise I would disagree: you can launch a Model S Plaid about three times consecutively before it starts to lose performance and range drastically. Hard driving does much the same. I've done drives in the hills with friends and their Teslas go on limp mode. The weight of these vehicles is an issue and brake pads/tires are constant. With this being said, the last AutoCross (look it up) competition was won by a stripped-out and lightly modified Model 3 Performance. They certainly do boogie. As an enthusiast, I appreciate the insane 0-60 times, but it's lacking. I can add by saying there aren't too many people who will gleefully launch a car that hard without feeling deprived of the engagement and drama of ICE. Still. Very fast. The rest of your points are semantic. Could go either way.
4) No. Lol. By that same token, I can buy cans of propane, some gasoline, a grill, and a generator to be just as well-off as someone with solar panels. They also charge insanely slow and are inconsistent. You've managed to say the opposite of what is commonly conceded by proponents of electricity/renewables--that being a weak grid leading to chaos. Gas is definitely better security-wise. Solar panels are a good addition if you have the space, but we can't assume this as a constant in planning our future.
1) No EPA shows a 6X lower cost of energy than a comparable ICE vehicle, and that is getting worse for the ICE vehicle.
The Tesla model Y is now the #1 selling vehicle on the planet, having edged out the Toyota Corolla which has held that position since 1974. You get maybe 10% of their customers are EV enthusiasts, the other 90% buy them because they've examined the specs, cost, maintenance, etc and chosen EV over ICE vehicle. They if anything are a smarter bunch of consumers. So that's your proof that people don't buy your argument. BTW I drive an ICE vehicle and don't want an EV because where I am the numbers don't add up, but that's not everybody. I got a big problem with forcing people to get EVs, it should be up to fair market competition.
Tires? Maintenance costs of EVs are substantially lower than ICE vehicles. The Teslas with the new 4680 cells are expecting million mile range on the vehicle incl battery.
Self-driving is a major selling point for commuters and for safety reasons, 10X safer already.
1b) "Tesla semi cannot haul more than three tons of cargo according to NHTSA limits"
Where do you get that crap from? The battery only weighs 12000lbs and is a structural battery so you are saying it will loose 57,000lbs of cargo due to a 12,000lb battery?!?
In fact the Tesla semi will carry as much or even more than the diesel truck:
"In its 2020 Impact report, Tesla said that it now expects the Tesla Semi to be able to carry a payload “at least as high as it would be for a diesel truck.” And expects 1/2 the operating costs of a diesel truck. That's why people will buy them. In fact you will have to beat truck drivers off with a stick they will want them so bad.
The delay in production is as always ramping up battery production. They are 2yrs behind in cell manufacture, demand for their vehicles is so high. Not helped by the Government pushing wind/solar battery backup.
2) Battery replacement is not endemic. It is less expensive and less common than engine/transmission replacement in an ICE vehicle. Tesla is figuring million mile battery packs with the 4680 cells.
3) No if batteries lost performance that rapidly the pack would be finished within one year. That's nonsense. They are designed for that capability. And warrantied for it. Brake pads get very little wear since they use regenerative braking.
4) I'm not talking about a home solar power setup. Just basic solar panels and inverter to charge your BEV which also supplies portable/emergency power, and a lot cheaper than fueling an ICE vehicle. You would have to store a lot of fuel as an alternative to that. Fuel storage is expensive and dangerous. You have a fuel leak that can cost you or your insurance company over a $million. Stored gas cannot match the energy you will get from solar panels in a good solar location. 10kw solar panels, 40kwh/day, or 140miles/day vs 7gal gas/day for the same. That's a lot of gas storage. Good for short duration but for those who want long duration fuel independence solar/EV would be attractive.
And who says I'm big on "renewables". Wind solar are impractical for grid electricity except for niche applications. But electricity is the future for just about everything including aircraft will be going electric propulsion (hybrid). A lifetime in industry I've seen electric takeover just about everything, what used to be diesel, hydraulic or pneumatic has been replaced by electric. And vehicles will be no exception. For long range a series hybrid can be used, which will be just a standard BEV skateboard chassis with a smaller battery and a extreme efficiency one speed diesel engine, perhaps an opposing piston flat engine. But when the charging infrastructure is in place people seem to just prefer a fast charging coffee break when they go long distance.
To your points:
1a) The continuing cost of energy for ICE is higher than EVs, and even with cheaper gas it would be 2x or 3x. Fair point, BUT: the up-front premium for comparable vehicles is significantly more. Hell, you don't even need to look at the comparison between similar vehicles, just look at the YoY price increases. If you intended to buy a Tesla to save on cost of gas--most people don't but whatever--just this last year's price hikes would've mooted 1-5 years of fuel costs depending on how much you drive, but most people who own EVs don't drive that much as they can afford to live near their work. Then consider running costs like tire life and you're not saving much from an EV. But I should double-back and say the vast majority of people aren't doing the math, and to be brutally honest if you're doing this much math to buy a vehicle then I would suggest abstaining on that vehicle or buying something used. 99% of people will only think of not paying for gas a means to be smug to people around them.
1b) The Tesla semi cannot haul more than three tons of cargo according to NHTSA limits. The battery makes the vehicle itself far too heavy to be practical and still road-legal. This is coming from someone who has sat inside a Tesla semi. A very cool looking vehicle, but its weight and range/charging problems make it infeasible. The proof is in the pudding as the semi is still not out yet and has been the source of multiple resignations due to Tesla overpromising only for the engineers to say no and then told to do it anyways.
Video explaining this better than I did: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w__a8EcM2jI
2) See 1a; nonetheless, yeah I would agree running costs are lower if you lease or manage to sell the car at a price that doesn't factor in battery-life depreciation. Having to replace batteries is an endemic issue.
3) Performance-wise I would disagree: you can launch a Model S Plaid about three times consecutively before it starts to lose performance and range drastically. Hard driving does much the same. I've done drives in the hills with friends and their Teslas go on limp mode. The weight of these vehicles is an issue and brake pads/tires are constant. With this being said, the last AutoCross (look it up) competition was won by a stripped-out and lightly modified Model 3 Performance. They certainly do boogie. As an enthusiast, I appreciate the insane 0-60 times, but it's lacking. I can add by saying there aren't too many people who will gleefully launch a car that hard without feeling deprived of the engagement and drama of ICE. Still. Very fast. The rest of your points are semantic. Could go either way.
4) No. Lol. By that same token, I can buy cans of propane, some gasoline, a grill, and a generator to be just as well-off as someone with solar panels. They also charge insanely slow and are inconsistent. You've managed to say the opposite of what is commonly conceded by proponents of electricity/renewables--that being a weak grid leading to chaos. Gas is definitely better security-wise. Solar panels are a good addition if you have the space, but we can't assume this as a constant in planning our future.
1) No EPA shows a 6X lower cost of energy than a comparable ICE vehicle, and that is getting worse for the ICE vehicle.
The Tesla model Y is now the #1 selling vehicle on the planet, having edged out the Toyota Corolla which has held that position since 1974. You get maybe 10% of their customers are EV enthusiasts, the other 90% buy them because they've examined the specs, cost, maintenance, etc and chosen EV over ICE vehicle. They if anything are a smarter bunch of consumers. So that's your proof that people don't buy your argument. BTW I drive an ICE vehicle and don't want an EV because where I am the numbers don't add up, but that's not everybody. I got a big problem with forcing people to get EVs, it should be up to fair market competition.
Tires? Maintenance costs of EVs are substantially lower than ICE vehicles. The Teslas with the new 4680 cells are expecting million mile range on the vehicle incl battery.
Self-driving is a major selling point for commuters and for safety reasons, 10X safer already.
1b) "Tesla semi cannot haul more than three tons of cargo according to NHTSA limits"
Where do you get that crap from? The battery only weighs 12000lbs and is a structural battery so you are saying it will loose 57,000lbs of cargo due to a 12,000lb battery?!?
In fact the Tesla semi will carry as much or even more than the diesel truck:
"In its 2020 Impact report, Tesla said that it now expects the Tesla Semi to be able to carry a payload “at least as high as it would be for a diesel truck.” And expects 1/2 the operating costs of a diesel truck. That's why people will buy them. In fact you will have to beat truck drivers off with a stick they will want them so bad.
The delay in production is as always ramping up battery production. They are 2yrs behind in cell manufacture, demand for their vehicles is so high. Not helped by the Government pushing wind/solar battery backup.
2) Battery replacement is not endemic. It is less expensive and less common than engine/transmission replacement in an ICE vehicle. Tesla is figuring million mile battery packs with the 4680 cells.
3) No if batteries lost performance that rapidly the pack would be finished within one year. That's nonsense. They are designed for that capability. And warrantied for it. Brake pads get very little wear since they use regenerative braking.
4) I'm not talking about a home solar power setup. Just basic solar panels and inverter to charge your BEV which also supplies portable/emergency power, and a lot cheaper than fueling an ICE vehicle. You would have to store a lot of fuel as an alternative to that. Fuel storage is expensive and dangerous. You have a fuel leak that can cost you or your insurance company over a $million. Stored gas cannot match the energy you will get from solar panels in a good solar location. 10kw solar panels, 40kwh/day, or 140miles/day vs 7gal gas/day for the same. That's a lot of gas storage. Good for short duration but for those who want long duration fuel independence solar/EV would be attractive.
And who says I'm big on "renewables". Wind solar are impractical for grid electricity except for niche applications. But electricity is the future for just about everything including aircraft will be going electric propulsion (hybrid). A lifetime in industry I've seen electric takeover just about everything, what used to be diesel, hydraulic or pneumatic has been replaced by electric. And vehicles will be no exception. For long range a series hybrid can be used, which will be just a standard BEV skateboard chassis with a smaller battery and a extreme efficiency one speed diesel engine, perhaps an opposing piston flat engine. But when the charging infrastructure is in place people seem to just prefer a fast charging coffee break when they go long distance.