I enjoy ICE cars as an enthusiast. EVs are soulless; no sound, no vibration, no engagement, no dynamism, etc. EVs are also the worst when it comes to actually owning the vehicle. Tesla will brick your car if you mess with the software, so all you can do to tweak it would be suspension, wheels, and weight reduction along with general aest…
I enjoy ICE cars as an enthusiast. EVs are soulless; no sound, no vibration, no engagement, no dynamism, etc. EVs are also the worst when it comes to actually owning the vehicle. Tesla will brick your car if you mess with the software, so all you can do to tweak it would be suspension, wheels, and weight reduction along with general aesthetic changes. With my car I can tune the engine to my liking and add as many parts as I feel like without issue. For example, I have an E85 software map for my car as well as a pump gas performance map, a pump gas eco map, and a stock map. I have family members/friends with EVs and they like them, but they drive maybe 20 minutes a day and charge them overnight. I think the best "solution" for most people would be plug-in hybrids as they use much less battery material than a full EV, deliver good performance, and have unlimited range in hybrid mode. One of my family members has a PIH and hasn't bought gas since he bought it due to short commutes in EV mode. What's great is that he always has the option to drive it in hybrid mode for road trips or towing. When you compare this to a Tesla, you're going the same distance every day with zero tailpipe emissions with probably 1/10th as much battery volume as the Tesla. FYI it's a RAV4 XSE Prime. Got it for $54k IIRC. Good car thus far.
Regardless, I like gas cars because I'm an enthusiast and although high-end EVs are REALLY fast off the line, they're just not that much fun beyond that. For everyone else, I think plug-in hybrid vehicles make a lot more sense than EVs. Hell, maybe even nat gas ICE would work. I've seen some home-brew NG conversions that work well.
Sure, they accelerate fast but how important a consideration is that in everyday life, really, when you think about it? I'm totally happy with my Mazda 2, fast enough for me.
Yeah and the fast ones cost $100k+. A gas car with the same performance would run you $50k unless we're talking about the Model S Plaid, in which case you're looking at Porsche 991 Turbo S performance.
A Porsche 991 can't compete with a Plaid. $2M Lamborghini's get demolished by Plaid's. Watch DragTimes and see the Plaid beat just about every vehicle except for the 1914hp RIMAC BEV:
Yes, Toyota likes the complex series-parallel hybrid format. Tesla rejected hybrids and went all EVs. Now the Tesla Model Y has now displaced the Toyota Corolla as the #1 selling vehicle. The Toyota Corolla has held that title since 1974. Tesla is winning with pure BEVs and Toyota is losing with its hybrids. Its a case of the market preference.
Nothing wrong with being an enthusiast. Gearheads as they are nicknamed, have a lot of fun with their ICE vehicles, an excellent hobby. There are also a lot of EV enthusiasts, they also enjoy them. No need whatsoever for mandating one vehicle type over another. Let the consumer choose.
1) Big factor is the 6X higher cost of energy for the ICE vehicle. That's the BIG one. Once they become available to Truckers they will not want an ICE truck. Operating costs are the killer.
2) More maintenance issues and breakdowns, EVs don't have all the brake pad replacement, multitude of oil changes, engine coolant, battery fluid, catalytic convertor/muffler replacement, exhaust corrosion, engine & transmission failure problems.
3) Much better performance, better stability, better turning capability, much better acceleration, much easier to have autopilot, much safer in a collision, quieter, much better on hilly roads, built in portable AC power, better for cold weather or hot weather operation, better during flooding and have longer range & operational time than ICE vehicles during bad traffic or evacuation type situations.
4) Less dependent on infrastructure breakdown. Electricity is more fundamental than gasoline long distance supply security. That can easily fail in time of war, natural disaster or government mismanagement (right now deliberate). You can also charge your EV with solar panels and supply emergency home power.
I enjoy ICE cars as an enthusiast. EVs are soulless; no sound, no vibration, no engagement, no dynamism, etc. EVs are also the worst when it comes to actually owning the vehicle. Tesla will brick your car if you mess with the software, so all you can do to tweak it would be suspension, wheels, and weight reduction along with general aesthetic changes. With my car I can tune the engine to my liking and add as many parts as I feel like without issue. For example, I have an E85 software map for my car as well as a pump gas performance map, a pump gas eco map, and a stock map. I have family members/friends with EVs and they like them, but they drive maybe 20 minutes a day and charge them overnight. I think the best "solution" for most people would be plug-in hybrids as they use much less battery material than a full EV, deliver good performance, and have unlimited range in hybrid mode. One of my family members has a PIH and hasn't bought gas since he bought it due to short commutes in EV mode. What's great is that he always has the option to drive it in hybrid mode for road trips or towing. When you compare this to a Tesla, you're going the same distance every day with zero tailpipe emissions with probably 1/10th as much battery volume as the Tesla. FYI it's a RAV4 XSE Prime. Got it for $54k IIRC. Good car thus far.
Regardless, I like gas cars because I'm an enthusiast and although high-end EVs are REALLY fast off the line, they're just not that much fun beyond that. For everyone else, I think plug-in hybrid vehicles make a lot more sense than EVs. Hell, maybe even nat gas ICE would work. I've seen some home-brew NG conversions that work well.
Sure, they accelerate fast but how important a consideration is that in everyday life, really, when you think about it? I'm totally happy with my Mazda 2, fast enough for me.
Yeah and the fast ones cost $100k+. A gas car with the same performance would run you $50k unless we're talking about the Model S Plaid, in which case you're looking at Porsche 991 Turbo S performance.
I'd rather have the 911.
A Porsche 991 can't compete with a Plaid. $2M Lamborghini's get demolished by Plaid's. Watch DragTimes and see the Plaid beat just about every vehicle except for the 1914hp RIMAC BEV:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUB1z5wr5p8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXrOJ7fFatM
My sister has that same RAV4 plug in hybrid and she loves it. So much better than an EV!!
It is an EV. A PHEV is an EV. It just has a smaller battery and a small ICE generator.
The 2.5L 4cyl doesn't act as a generator--not at least primarily.
Yes, Toyota likes the complex series-parallel hybrid format. Tesla rejected hybrids and went all EVs. Now the Tesla Model Y has now displaced the Toyota Corolla as the #1 selling vehicle. The Toyota Corolla has held that title since 1974. Tesla is winning with pure BEVs and Toyota is losing with its hybrids. Its a case of the market preference.
Agreed. Great car.
Nothing wrong with being an enthusiast. Gearheads as they are nicknamed, have a lot of fun with their ICE vehicles, an excellent hobby. There are also a lot of EV enthusiasts, they also enjoy them. No need whatsoever for mandating one vehicle type over another. Let the consumer choose.
1) Big factor is the 6X higher cost of energy for the ICE vehicle. That's the BIG one. Once they become available to Truckers they will not want an ICE truck. Operating costs are the killer.
2) More maintenance issues and breakdowns, EVs don't have all the brake pad replacement, multitude of oil changes, engine coolant, battery fluid, catalytic convertor/muffler replacement, exhaust corrosion, engine & transmission failure problems.
3) Much better performance, better stability, better turning capability, much better acceleration, much easier to have autopilot, much safer in a collision, quieter, much better on hilly roads, built in portable AC power, better for cold weather or hot weather operation, better during flooding and have longer range & operational time than ICE vehicles during bad traffic or evacuation type situations.
4) Less dependent on infrastructure breakdown. Electricity is more fundamental than gasoline long distance supply security. That can easily fail in time of war, natural disaster or government mismanagement (right now deliberate). You can also charge your EV with solar panels and supply emergency home power.