And electric trolleys, electric trains and even diesel-electric trains are no longer competitive with battery powered buses & trains. They all should be replaced with BEVs.
Battery Vehicles certainly have their niche alright, the "niche" called toys for the wealthy.
Just wait until people have to start replacing the batteries on their Battery Vehicles
Electric trollies don't rely on batteries. They rely on overhead electrical wires which require significant infrastructure and constant maintenance. Trollies were (are) limited in their range. They can't reach the suburban and, of course, rural areas of cities that ICE buses can.
Hobbyists (not wealthy) have been converting ICE vehicles to BEVs for 50yrs or more, because Detroit wouldn't sell them. Battery replacements are like $20k and people have already 400k miles on their Tesla batteries. It's about the cost of an engine replacement in an ICE vehicle. Pay for a lot of battery replacements for 1/6th cost of energy, that's a saving of over $100k.
A look at Tesla battery degradation and replacement after 400,000 miles:
$20K for a battery replacement? Are you crazy? I've NEVER needed an engine replacement. NEVER. But battery replacements will be a regular occurrence. And people will lose their minds when they find out the cost.
We'll be seeing abandoned EVs scattered all over the world because people won't be able to handle the cost.
Tesla battery degradation?
"ItтАЩs one of the main concerns of new electric car buyers and it can vary greatly based on several factors like cell chemistry, battery management system, and usage.
Tesla has historically been able to limit degradation to reasonable levels thanks to its robust battery management system."
Those batteries need a "management system" now. What a joke! And here I thought that EVs were the answer to everyone's problems!
Battery vehicles are a big joke, a farce, a con foisted on unsuspecting people.
Yes $20k for a Model S 85kwh battery that's a 300mile range battery. But the newer batteries are going to last for over 300,000 miles, even a million miles with the LFMP cells. Here's a guy in cold Canada who already has 310k miles, on his Tesla Model 3 without any issues except replaced the drivetrain oil pump @ 286k miles for C$194. Still on its original brakes (pads & rotors). And get this his battery is still at 80% of original capacity. And that's not a long life LFP battery.
500,000 km Tesla Model 3 proves EVs far cheaper than gas:
Zero. Don't own one, would like one but can't afford it and don't drive much anyway, mostly I bicycle. I have an ICE vehicle and hope it will last until I drop dead. How much of a vested interest do you have in ICE vehicles?
I'm not pushing ICE vehicles like you're pushing Battery Vehicles.
That leads me to believe that you have a vested interest in them, e.g., investments in battery manufacturers or battery vehicle manufacturers.
It's also because governments are pushing them by, as I wrote, bribing people to buy them using other people's money, all in the name of Climate Change.
Bullshit. I've said repeatedly I drive an ICE vehicle, don't intend to buy an EV, and am quite happy with people buying whatever they want, no subsidies or mandates needed. As long as there is fair market competition. You keep trying to paint EVs as some great evil. And yes the Climate Change crackpots have jumped onto the EV bandwagon, belatedly. They were nowhere to be seen when GM & Toyota were seizing and crushing their excellent EVs circa 1998. Wolves in sheep's clothing. Let me make it perfectly clear so you understand. They are liars, devious, sneaky, duplicitous scoundrels. THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE AN EV, THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE A VEHICLE PERIOD. THEY WANT US PLEBES TO BE IN POVERTY. UNDERSTAND?
It's that our governments are using them, among other things, as a way to gain & keep power.
"I'll have those n****rs voting Democratic for the next 200 years."
- Lyndon Baines Johnson (Dem), on his Great Society & War on Poverty
And our governments are FORCING the situation on us as Stalin forced the industrialization of the Soviet Union.
It was an utter disaster, resulting in the deaths of millions.
And LBJ's "Great Society" & "War on Poverty" have been an utter disaster for American society.
EVs are but a small portion of the larger picture of our superiors in government & multi-national organizations forcing their morality and way of life on us like Stalin did in the Soviet Union (e.g., his forced collectivization of farms).
Why?
Because they're panicking, just as Malthus did in 1799. They're terrified of the average person will ruin their "world" as Margaret Sanger was terrified that the black man would ruin *her* "world".
Ultimately, our superiors are carrying out Malthusian population control against us "plebs". It's genocide, much like what the Muslim Turks did to the Armenians in Turkey in the early 20th century.
BEV buses are now quite capable of replacing all buses more economically in all but rural routes. Even long distance diesel locomotives can be replaced with battery versions. Short distance planes can be replaced with battery electric. I would question if even city LRT systems are not more economical to build now with battery locomotives, rather than third rails or catenary lines.
Yes, they do have a weight problem, so to speak. EVs can be good for urban driving, with a good charger network.
We have EVs since the electric trolley.
EVs have their niche.
And electric trolleys, electric trains and even diesel-electric trains are no longer competitive with battery powered buses & trains. They all should be replaced with BEVs.
Battery Vehicles certainly have their niche alright, the "niche" called toys for the wealthy.
Just wait until people have to start replacing the batteries on their Battery Vehicles
Electric trollies don't rely on batteries. They rely on overhead electrical wires which require significant infrastructure and constant maintenance. Trollies were (are) limited in their range. They can't reach the suburban and, of course, rural areas of cities that ICE buses can.
They aren't toys for the wealthy. Ordinary people are buying them. You can order an EV small truck from China for $2000:
Unboxing & Testing My Chinese "$2,000" ELECTRIC Truck!:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bixJDOH864U
Hobbyists (not wealthy) have been converting ICE vehicles to BEVs for 50yrs or more, because Detroit wouldn't sell them. Battery replacements are like $20k and people have already 400k miles on their Tesla batteries. It's about the cost of an engine replacement in an ICE vehicle. Pay for a lot of battery replacements for 1/6th cost of energy, that's a saving of over $100k.
A look at Tesla battery degradation and replacement after 400,000 miles:
https://electrek.co/2020/06/06/tesla-battery-degradation-replacement/
EVs are extremely expensive.
$20K for a battery replacement? Are you crazy? I've NEVER needed an engine replacement. NEVER. But battery replacements will be a regular occurrence. And people will lose their minds when they find out the cost.
We'll be seeing abandoned EVs scattered all over the world because people won't be able to handle the cost.
Tesla battery degradation?
"ItтАЩs one of the main concerns of new electric car buyers and it can vary greatly based on several factors like cell chemistry, battery management system, and usage.
Tesla has historically been able to limit degradation to reasonable levels thanks to its robust battery management system."
Those batteries need a "management system" now. What a joke! And here I thought that EVs were the answer to everyone's problems!
Battery vehicles are a big joke, a farce, a con foisted on unsuspecting people.
Yes $20k for a Model S 85kwh battery that's a 300mile range battery. But the newer batteries are going to last for over 300,000 miles, even a million miles with the LFMP cells. Here's a guy in cold Canada who already has 310k miles, on his Tesla Model 3 without any issues except replaced the drivetrain oil pump @ 286k miles for C$194. Still on its original brakes (pads & rotors). And get this his battery is still at 80% of original capacity. And that's not a long life LFP battery.
500,000 km Tesla Model 3 proves EVs far cheaper than gas:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_Ms-XCBoxI
How much of a vested interest do you have in Battery Vehicles?
Zero. Don't own one, would like one but can't afford it and don't drive much anyway, mostly I bicycle. I have an ICE vehicle and hope it will last until I drop dead. How much of a vested interest do you have in ICE vehicles?
I'm not pushing ICE vehicles like you're pushing Battery Vehicles.
That leads me to believe that you have a vested interest in them, e.g., investments in battery manufacturers or battery vehicle manufacturers.
It's also because governments are pushing them by, as I wrote, bribing people to buy them using other people's money, all in the name of Climate Change.
Bullshit. I've said repeatedly I drive an ICE vehicle, don't intend to buy an EV, and am quite happy with people buying whatever they want, no subsidies or mandates needed. As long as there is fair market competition. You keep trying to paint EVs as some great evil. And yes the Climate Change crackpots have jumped onto the EV bandwagon, belatedly. They were nowhere to be seen when GM & Toyota were seizing and crushing their excellent EVs circa 1998. Wolves in sheep's clothing. Let me make it perfectly clear so you understand. They are liars, devious, sneaky, duplicitous scoundrels. THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE AN EV, THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE A VEHICLE PERIOD. THEY WANT US PLEBES TO BE IN POVERTY. UNDERSTAND?
It's NOT that EVs are some "great evil".
It's that our governments are using them, among other things, as a way to gain & keep power.
"I'll have those n****rs voting Democratic for the next 200 years."
- Lyndon Baines Johnson (Dem), on his Great Society & War on Poverty
And our governments are FORCING the situation on us as Stalin forced the industrialization of the Soviet Union.
It was an utter disaster, resulting in the deaths of millions.
And LBJ's "Great Society" & "War on Poverty" have been an utter disaster for American society.
EVs are but a small portion of the larger picture of our superiors in government & multi-national organizations forcing their morality and way of life on us like Stalin did in the Soviet Union (e.g., his forced collectivization of farms).
Why?
Because they're panicking, just as Malthus did in 1799. They're terrified of the average person will ruin their "world" as Margaret Sanger was terrified that the black man would ruin *her* "world".
Ultimately, our superiors are carrying out Malthusian population control against us "plebs". It's genocide, much like what the Muslim Turks did to the Armenians in Turkey in the early 20th century.
BEV buses are now quite capable of replacing all buses more economically in all but rural routes. Even long distance diesel locomotives can be replaced with battery versions. Short distance planes can be replaced with battery electric. I would question if even city LRT systems are not more economical to build now with battery locomotives, rather than third rails or catenary lines.
For sure, as a secondary commuting car, with a battery sized for actual commuting needs, that actually makes sense.