What's with the "FREE FINITE" all caps. Of course they're finite, everything physical is finite, that's like saying "WET WATER". And yes like all resources, they are free for the taking, they just cost effort = $$$ to be extracted and utilized, as does "FREE FINITE WIND" and "FREE FINITE SOLAR".
What's with the "FREE FINITE" all caps. Of course they're finite, everything physical is finite, that's like saying "WET WATER". And yes like all resources, they are free for the taking, they just cost effort = $$$ to be extracted and utilized, as does "FREE FINITE WIND" and "FREE FINITE SOLAR".
"..where everyone thinks they have the answers..."
I don't know where you get that from. Most people I'm hearing keep saying, "there are no answers". And you seem to think you have the answer: "The Great Simplification".
In truth there are answers, our vast resource of fission & fusion fuels, is obviously the answer to both pollution and energy supply, at least until the sun burns the Earth. That's just basic physics. Developing the tech is straightforward, and would have been done 30yrs ago if not for various unscrupulous organizations and corporations who definitely don't want a free market in energy.
Yes, Yes Yes, but these FREE FINITE Flammable Fossils c/o Gaia are EXTRA EXTRA FREE FINITE Flammable Fossils, not finite in the event horizon finite, or even Earth’s Sun becoming a red giant finite, or when In around five billion years the Earth will likely be engulfed by our own Sun and devoured by a stellar inferno finite, no not finite as any of that. FREE FINITE Flammable Fossils will in our eyes be finite when they’ve been depleted to the point they’re no longer cost effective energy wise to extract and that’ll most likely be within next hundred years. You may presume every one knows how free and finite it is but judging by how fast we’re consuming this precious energy resource you wouldn’t think so.
We’ve been and are living in the golden age of energy, a period of around 200 years, the next 100 years will witness the decline of the golden age of energy, seeing it for what it was a pulse of FREE FINITE Flammable Fossil (FF) energy. FF’s of Coal, Oil and Gas, FREE energy, product of sunlight geologically buried over millions of years, but that we are now extracting 10 million times faster than it was sequestered, and we’ve only had to pay to: extract, process and distribute to point of use. A highly subsidised resource without which we would really have a cost of living crisis but for government borrowing until it’s no longer economic to extract.
Energy = Life (labour), and likewise, Energy = GDP. And so we should reflect on: “Labour without Energy is a Corpse, Technology without Energy is a Sculpture, and a City without Energy is a Museum” - S.Keen/N.Hagens
As for Nuclear Power being our saviour that’s just a very expensive a pipe dream🤔
Well, if you don't mean NOT INFINITE, then you should say "fossil fuels are limited in supply, and economic supply constraints will begin to appear in ????? yrs, first for petroleum in ???? yrs, then for natural gas in ????? yrs, and then for coal in ???? yrs. That would be the proper, rational statement.
And I agree with Nate on energy, but like most of you Energy Doomers, he ignores Nuclear energy or pretends you can't burn thorium and U-238. Sorry Nate, you can, easily, and it is being done right now.
What Nate doesn't understand is the energy trend throughout history has been from energy diffuse sources to energy dense sources. So the natural trend is Wind/Solar --> Biomass --> Coal ---> Petroleum --> Natural Gas --> Uranium/Thorium --> Deuterium/Lithium/Boron. Nate figures that trend must stop at Natural Gas. False. Greenies/Bankers/Malthusians think we need to go back to the beginning and start all over with Wind/Solar. Also False.
You saying Nuclear power is an expensive pipe dream is worthless because you don't know anything about it. China doesn't think so, they are embarking on a program to build 150 NPPs by 2035 for $440B or $3B/GWe. $3B/GWe is ~3 cents/kwh-el, 1 cent/kwh-th. That's lower cost than gas, oil, coal is for most countries nowadays. And now we know Spent Nuclear Fuel is the most valuable resource on the planet right now. Worth more than all of our Petroleum + Coal + Gas reserves put together. That is because the Pu-239/240 in it is the key startup fuel for burning Thorium in molten salt reactors. Unlimited energy. See:
And yes that engineer knows 100X more about Nuclear Power than Nate, You and your Astrologer "expert" put together, otherwise known as the Three Stooges. So I would go with what he says rather than the Three Stooges.
Seems my presentation of FREE FINITE Flammable Fossils has got you rattled, that being the case its drawn attention, so done it’s job, it’s said “There’s no such thing as bad advertising, just some’s better than others”
When it comes to labelling people you can be as rude and disrespectful as you like (Three Stooges) but it doesn’t change the facts, Nuclear as a replacement for FREE FINITE Flammable Fossils is far too costly, struggles to meet deadlines (resulting in inflation pushing costs up in leaps and bounds) and needs government backing at both front and back end (regulation of NPP’s, fuel processing, decommissioning) along with custodians of its waste, externalities that seem to be ignored. If Nuclear Power was as good as you’d have us believe where are all the institutional investors falling over themselves to get involve.
And before you next denigrate Nate Hagens, check out “James Fleay: "What's the Deal with Nuclear Energy?" | The Great Simplification #74”
And just as a reminder: Globally only ~20% of energy is supplied as electricity, and only ~2% of that is from Alternative/Renewable Energy Sources of which NPP’s provide a fraction of that, the rest ~80% is c/o FREE FINITE Flammable Fossils, common physics sense, to quote Vaclav Smil “Scale and Complexity” is the big problem, and time🤔
If in “We” you’re referring to our planet Earth, FREE FINITE Flammable Fossils (FFFF’) will be around to Earths deaths end, that’ll be a few billion years. If your referring to “We” as in we humans, I don’t think so, I’ll even go as far as saying a child born today will be living in “The Great Simplification” whether by design or by force. We won’t run out of FFFF’s (but we’ve already had the best and easiest to access) they’ll just be harder to access, and so depleted, FFFF’s won’t be cost effective to recover. Just think what the implications of that will be on a civilisation that’s built itself from FFFF’s, and particularly from Oil.
Energy = Life (labour), and likewise, Energy = GDP. And so we should reflect on: “Labour without Energy is a Corpse, Technology without Energy is a Sculpture, and a City without Energy is a Museum” - S.Keen/N.Hagens - “Energy Blindness - “The Great Simplification”
I work in the industry. We have, based on today's technology, enough for another thousand years. If we start getting into more expensive and exotic technologies, we have much more. Believe me, we keep our mouths shut when people go off on peak oil or whatever because it just means there is a premium for our product and investors throw money at us.
What as an oil rig roustabout? Well you would say that wouldn’t you, I mean that’s where your paycheque comes from. If it makes you feel better you can go around with the mantra there’s a 1000 years of Oil at todays present demand, as that’s all right with me, but I don’t believe a word of it. Maybe you’d like to check out , for one, Art (Arthur) E. Berman - petroleum geologist, and at ‘X’ @aeberman12 He’s got quite a lot of knowledge in the petroleum industry, try telling him what you’ve told me/us I’d be very interested in his reply🤔
What's with the "FREE FINITE" all caps. Of course they're finite, everything physical is finite, that's like saying "WET WATER". And yes like all resources, they are free for the taking, they just cost effort = $$$ to be extracted and utilized, as does "FREE FINITE WIND" and "FREE FINITE SOLAR".
"..where everyone thinks they have the answers..."
I don't know where you get that from. Most people I'm hearing keep saying, "there are no answers". And you seem to think you have the answer: "The Great Simplification".
In truth there are answers, our vast resource of fission & fusion fuels, is obviously the answer to both pollution and energy supply, at least until the sun burns the Earth. That's just basic physics. Developing the tech is straightforward, and would have been done 30yrs ago if not for various unscrupulous organizations and corporations who definitely don't want a free market in energy.
Yes, Yes Yes, but these FREE FINITE Flammable Fossils c/o Gaia are EXTRA EXTRA FREE FINITE Flammable Fossils, not finite in the event horizon finite, or even Earth’s Sun becoming a red giant finite, or when In around five billion years the Earth will likely be engulfed by our own Sun and devoured by a stellar inferno finite, no not finite as any of that. FREE FINITE Flammable Fossils will in our eyes be finite when they’ve been depleted to the point they’re no longer cost effective energy wise to extract and that’ll most likely be within next hundred years. You may presume every one knows how free and finite it is but judging by how fast we’re consuming this precious energy resource you wouldn’t think so.
We’ve been and are living in the golden age of energy, a period of around 200 years, the next 100 years will witness the decline of the golden age of energy, seeing it for what it was a pulse of FREE FINITE Flammable Fossil (FF) energy. FF’s of Coal, Oil and Gas, FREE energy, product of sunlight geologically buried over millions of years, but that we are now extracting 10 million times faster than it was sequestered, and we’ve only had to pay to: extract, process and distribute to point of use. A highly subsidised resource without which we would really have a cost of living crisis but for government borrowing until it’s no longer economic to extract.
Energy = Life (labour), and likewise, Energy = GDP. And so we should reflect on: “Labour without Energy is a Corpse, Technology without Energy is a Sculpture, and a City without Energy is a Museum” - S.Keen/N.Hagens
As for Nuclear Power being our saviour that’s just a very expensive a pipe dream🤔
Well, if you don't mean NOT INFINITE, then you should say "fossil fuels are limited in supply, and economic supply constraints will begin to appear in ????? yrs, first for petroleum in ???? yrs, then for natural gas in ????? yrs, and then for coal in ???? yrs. That would be the proper, rational statement.
And I agree with Nate on energy, but like most of you Energy Doomers, he ignores Nuclear energy or pretends you can't burn thorium and U-238. Sorry Nate, you can, easily, and it is being done right now.
What Nate doesn't understand is the energy trend throughout history has been from energy diffuse sources to energy dense sources. So the natural trend is Wind/Solar --> Biomass --> Coal ---> Petroleum --> Natural Gas --> Uranium/Thorium --> Deuterium/Lithium/Boron. Nate figures that trend must stop at Natural Gas. False. Greenies/Bankers/Malthusians think we need to go back to the beginning and start all over with Wind/Solar. Also False.
You saying Nuclear power is an expensive pipe dream is worthless because you don't know anything about it. China doesn't think so, they are embarking on a program to build 150 NPPs by 2035 for $440B or $3B/GWe. $3B/GWe is ~3 cents/kwh-el, 1 cent/kwh-th. That's lower cost than gas, oil, coal is for most countries nowadays. And now we know Spent Nuclear Fuel is the most valuable resource on the planet right now. Worth more than all of our Petroleum + Coal + Gas reserves put together. That is because the Pu-239/240 in it is the key startup fuel for burning Thorium in molten salt reactors. Unlimited energy. See:
THORIUM: World's CHEAPEST Energy! [Science Unveiled]:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U434Sy9BGf8
And yes that engineer knows 100X more about Nuclear Power than Nate, You and your Astrologer "expert" put together, otherwise known as the Three Stooges. So I would go with what he says rather than the Three Stooges.
Seems my presentation of FREE FINITE Flammable Fossils has got you rattled, that being the case its drawn attention, so done it’s job, it’s said “There’s no such thing as bad advertising, just some’s better than others”
When it comes to labelling people you can be as rude and disrespectful as you like (Three Stooges) but it doesn’t change the facts, Nuclear as a replacement for FREE FINITE Flammable Fossils is far too costly, struggles to meet deadlines (resulting in inflation pushing costs up in leaps and bounds) and needs government backing at both front and back end (regulation of NPP’s, fuel processing, decommissioning) along with custodians of its waste, externalities that seem to be ignored. If Nuclear Power was as good as you’d have us believe where are all the institutional investors falling over themselves to get involve.
And before you next denigrate Nate Hagens, check out “James Fleay: "What's the Deal with Nuclear Energy?" | The Great Simplification #74”
And just as a reminder: Globally only ~20% of energy is supplied as electricity, and only ~2% of that is from Alternative/Renewable Energy Sources of which NPP’s provide a fraction of that, the rest ~80% is c/o FREE FINITE Flammable Fossils, common physics sense, to quote Vaclav Smil “Scale and Complexity” is the big problem, and time🤔
You ought to talk to someone who is actually in the industry. We have hydrocarbons for another 1000 years.
“We have hydrocarbons for another 1000 years”
If in “We” you’re referring to our planet Earth, FREE FINITE Flammable Fossils (FFFF’) will be around to Earths deaths end, that’ll be a few billion years. If your referring to “We” as in we humans, I don’t think so, I’ll even go as far as saying a child born today will be living in “The Great Simplification” whether by design or by force. We won’t run out of FFFF’s (but we’ve already had the best and easiest to access) they’ll just be harder to access, and so depleted, FFFF’s won’t be cost effective to recover. Just think what the implications of that will be on a civilisation that’s built itself from FFFF’s, and particularly from Oil.
Energy = Life (labour), and likewise, Energy = GDP. And so we should reflect on: “Labour without Energy is a Corpse, Technology without Energy is a Sculpture, and a City without Energy is a Museum” - S.Keen/N.Hagens - “Energy Blindness - “The Great Simplification”
I work in the industry. We have, based on today's technology, enough for another thousand years. If we start getting into more expensive and exotic technologies, we have much more. Believe me, we keep our mouths shut when people go off on peak oil or whatever because it just means there is a premium for our product and investors throw money at us.
What as an oil rig roustabout? Well you would say that wouldn’t you, I mean that’s where your paycheque comes from. If it makes you feel better you can go around with the mantra there’s a 1000 years of Oil at todays present demand, as that’s all right with me, but I don’t believe a word of it. Maybe you’d like to check out , for one, Art (Arthur) E. Berman - petroleum geologist, and at ‘X’ @aeberman12 He’s got quite a lot of knowledge in the petroleum industry, try telling him what you’ve told me/us I’d be very interested in his reply🤔