Calls for energy conservation have started in parts of Europe. Drive less, shower quicker and perhaps not every day… but not because of emissions. Are we seeing reality trickle in or is this pure desperation?
While I want these people to be humiliated and defenestrated, I think we have a moral obligation to try and prevent them from killing large numbers of people on their journey.
Part of me is really on board with the idea of a self-purge but another part would rather see it first happen somewhere else in the EU. We already had the blackouts and the bare shelves 30 years ago. It's kind of enough for one lifetime.
I have been watching the TV programs 'Made in Germany', 'Tomorrow Today', 'In Good Shape' and others on Deutsche Welle, Germany's international state media for about 10 years. In recent years these shows have had more 'nudging' segments about personal behavior like fewer showers and less plastic. Segments on PM.25 emissions now have added segments on the dangers of tire erosion which sound like a precursor to banning all cars from some city centers not just cars with ICE engines. There are many segments on small organic gardeners living peacefully with bees and wild flowers and usually show the farmers with their hands in dirt. All of the agriculture segments translate to less product per acre. My summary conclusion is that the Green Party which seems to have gained more control of State TV does not understand systems or the planet as a whole which is the opposite conclusion it reaches for itself.
This is very useful information. Thanks for sharing. Since I don't speak any EU language, I have a hard time following developments in other countries, so I appreciate any first-hand info about their situation.
I think Doomberg said it best in his podcast conversation with Alex Epstein when he said that the best way to deal with this type of request is to say “alright, you first.”
I guess it's in the realm of pure psychology, herd instinct. These are the kind of individuals who are recruited into politics by the masters of the world: obedient, without an opinion of their own. An episode from Frame's Tin Soldiers sticks in my mind: "It would never have occurred to any of the committee members that the queen would not like the existence of men's latrines, but to the Committee it was clearly like two times two. So all the men's latrines were boarded up and painted to match the walls." There is no point in discussing these puppets, we should discuss the puppeteers.
Price you pay for the life you choose...don't like it? stop bitching and choose wiser next time. "Live and learn" is a mantra that will get you places.
The median voter simply votes for whichever politician is merely perceived to have more skin in the common game. Unfortunately, human perception is very malleable, flawed and easily manipulated by politicians who are taught how to do just that and who will say whatever they need to say to get elected as they have nothing but upside (no one is held accountable ex post for their pandering to the lowest common denominator and following thru with ridiculous and disastrous policies. The Western response to covid is a great example!)
For the record I didn't mean you should stop bitching etc. I meant politicians should stop bitching about Russia and Putin and admit they fucked up and that's why they find themselves proposing such policies. Unfortunately, they don't get paid to live and learn nor do they have the greatest incentives to do so
I hear you and I agree in principle. Down here, we seem overwhelmingly inclined to vote for the latest "saviour" rather than anyone who might have even an ounce of skin in the common game. That and strict party voting going on for generations, of course.
I have yet to see a politician admitting they did anything wrong and the day this happens, if ever, I will have seen everything.
- Those who like to study and manipulate nature (we call them scientists and engineers)
- Those who like to study and manipulate people (we call them politicians and lawyers)
Unfortunately, politics does not inherently appeal to the first group as they are not interested in telling people what to do or exploiting the un-educated masses as they see fit. The second group has literally gone out of its way to blatantly pursue their agenda under a variety of academic schools of thought (Choice Architecture/Behavioral Economics/Strategic Interdependence via Common Knowledge games, that last one is an entire game theoretical take on the whole thing). They even awarded a Nobel price or two! (Professor Richard Thaler comes to mind - read his book titled Nudge and you will get an idea of what I'm talking about if you're not already familiar).
These groups of central planners meet in broad day light at Davos and the World Economic Forum each and every year and are very much "transparently non-transparent" (meaning that if you know their lingo you can easily see what they are up to but they will never tell you in plain English)
I do like to observe people and draw conclusions, too, but manipulation I reserve for myself.
I will never really understand how a nonprofit such as the WEF became some sort of a meta-government. There is a logical explanation, I'm sure, possibly involving a lot of manipulation but it's still baffling.
"You will own nothing and be happy"...what about "you will own whatever you want to own and be happy, even if what you want to own is nothing"...shouldn't whatever I own be up to me? How is it not insane to mandate me to own nothing and be happy? Let's see how the masters of the universe manage this one.
I'm a trader in financial markets first and foremost, the way I see it I get paid to have a front row seat to this madness while dispassionately eating my pop corn and seeing the equity in my account climb in direct proportion to the degree of madness going on.
They suggested it after the first lockdowns in 2020, indirectly. It was something along the lines of "We'd need the equivalent of these lockdowns every year or something to get to the Paris Agreement targets."
And in Germany the FDP Linder is resisting a simple effective measure used in all other countries. A speed limit. Won’t help the climate much he says - ignoring the oil savings. I hate driving the Autobahn with 200KMH in the left lane and 80KMH in the right. ‘Free Driving for Free Citizens’
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Speed cameras and unmarked Autobahn Police cars here. I lived in Austria 5 years with 130 KMH limit. Most drove up to 140 but that was about the worst. Much less stress driving I must say. In 1973 we had the OPEC gas crisis in the US and speed limits were reduced overall to 55 MPH from 65 - 70. I had just bought my 68 Mustang GT Fastback (made famous by Steve McQueen as the Bullitt car). Boy was I pissed….
That's because it's not an article. It's a thread, like a Twitter thread, for the exchange of comments and opinions. If you scroll up, there should be an introductory couple of sentences setting the topic.
Oh, it's not on Twitter, it's here, right under the headline. Here's the intro inviting the discussion:
"Calls for energy conservation have started in parts of Europe. Drive less, shower quicker and perhaps not every day… but not because of emissions. Are we seeing reality trickle in or is this pure desperation?" :)
Maybe both. Desperation born from reality.
It's a painful clash, no doubt.
When the power is interrupted and the grocery stores are bare the enormity of what they’ve done will be revealed. It will be too late.
While I want these people to be humiliated and defenestrated, I think we have a moral obligation to try and prevent them from killing large numbers of people on their journey.
Part of me is really on board with the idea of a self-purge but another part would rather see it first happen somewhere else in the EU. We already had the blackouts and the bare shelves 30 years ago. It's kind of enough for one lifetime.
I have been watching the TV programs 'Made in Germany', 'Tomorrow Today', 'In Good Shape' and others on Deutsche Welle, Germany's international state media for about 10 years. In recent years these shows have had more 'nudging' segments about personal behavior like fewer showers and less plastic. Segments on PM.25 emissions now have added segments on the dangers of tire erosion which sound like a precursor to banning all cars from some city centers not just cars with ICE engines. There are many segments on small organic gardeners living peacefully with bees and wild flowers and usually show the farmers with their hands in dirt. All of the agriculture segments translate to less product per acre. My summary conclusion is that the Green Party which seems to have gained more control of State TV does not understand systems or the planet as a whole which is the opposite conclusion it reaches for itself.
This is very useful information. Thanks for sharing. Since I don't speak any EU language, I have a hard time following developments in other countries, so I appreciate any first-hand info about their situation.
The ZDF second state run TV channel comedians are quite anti-nuclear poking fun at the idea of turning back on the recently shut down plants.
Someone showed me recently a German children's book about the horrors of nuclear energy. It was from the 80s.
I think Doomberg said it best in his podcast conversation with Alex Epstein when he said that the best way to deal with this type of request is to say “alright, you first.”
An excellent suggestion.
I guess it's in the realm of pure psychology, herd instinct. These are the kind of individuals who are recruited into politics by the masters of the world: obedient, without an opinion of their own. An episode from Frame's Tin Soldiers sticks in my mind: "It would never have occurred to any of the committee members that the queen would not like the existence of men's latrines, but to the Committee it was clearly like two times two. So all the men's latrines were boarded up and painted to match the walls." There is no point in discussing these puppets, we should discuss the puppeteers.
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Price you pay for the life you choose...don't like it? stop bitching and choose wiser next time. "Live and learn" is a mantra that will get you places.
I can't tell you how frustrated it is to see just 30% of the population voting and, naturally, electing the worst incompetents.
The median voter simply votes for whichever politician is merely perceived to have more skin in the common game. Unfortunately, human perception is very malleable, flawed and easily manipulated by politicians who are taught how to do just that and who will say whatever they need to say to get elected as they have nothing but upside (no one is held accountable ex post for their pandering to the lowest common denominator and following thru with ridiculous and disastrous policies. The Western response to covid is a great example!)
For the record I didn't mean you should stop bitching etc. I meant politicians should stop bitching about Russia and Putin and admit they fucked up and that's why they find themselves proposing such policies. Unfortunately, they don't get paid to live and learn nor do they have the greatest incentives to do so
I hear you and I agree in principle. Down here, we seem overwhelmingly inclined to vote for the latest "saviour" rather than anyone who might have even an ounce of skin in the common game. That and strict party voting going on for generations, of course.
I have yet to see a politician admitting they did anything wrong and the day this happens, if ever, I will have seen everything.
There two types of people in this world Irina:
- Those who like to study and manipulate nature (we call them scientists and engineers)
- Those who like to study and manipulate people (we call them politicians and lawyers)
Unfortunately, politics does not inherently appeal to the first group as they are not interested in telling people what to do or exploiting the un-educated masses as they see fit. The second group has literally gone out of its way to blatantly pursue their agenda under a variety of academic schools of thought (Choice Architecture/Behavioral Economics/Strategic Interdependence via Common Knowledge games, that last one is an entire game theoretical take on the whole thing). They even awarded a Nobel price or two! (Professor Richard Thaler comes to mind - read his book titled Nudge and you will get an idea of what I'm talking about if you're not already familiar).
These groups of central planners meet in broad day light at Davos and the World Economic Forum each and every year and are very much "transparently non-transparent" (meaning that if you know their lingo you can easily see what they are up to but they will never tell you in plain English)
I do like to observe people and draw conclusions, too, but manipulation I reserve for myself.
I will never really understand how a nonprofit such as the WEF became some sort of a meta-government. There is a logical explanation, I'm sure, possibly involving a lot of manipulation but it's still baffling.
"You will own nothing and be happy"...what about "you will own whatever you want to own and be happy, even if what you want to own is nothing"...shouldn't whatever I own be up to me? How is it not insane to mandate me to own nothing and be happy? Let's see how the masters of the universe manage this one.
I'm a trader in financial markets first and foremost, the way I see it I get paid to have a front row seat to this madness while dispassionately eating my pop corn and seeing the equity in my account climb in direct proportion to the degree of madness going on.
2 months ago I started writing about voluntary lockdowns as the only way to ration in a way that doesn’t crush the poor. We are there.
They suggested it after the first lockdowns in 2020, indirectly. It was something along the lines of "We'd need the equivalent of these lockdowns every year or something to get to the Paris Agreement targets."
And in Germany the FDP Linder is resisting a simple effective measure used in all other countries. A speed limit. Won’t help the climate much he says - ignoring the oil savings. I hate driving the Autobahn with 200KMH in the left lane and 80KMH in the right. ‘Free Driving for Free Citizens’
We have speed limits. A large portion of drivers simply ignore them because enforcement is almost non-existent.
Speed cameras and unmarked Autobahn Police cars here. I lived in Austria 5 years with 130 KMH limit. Most drove up to 140 but that was about the worst. Much less stress driving I must say. In 1973 we had the OPEC gas crisis in the US and speed limits were reduced overall to 55 MPH from 65 - 70. I had just bought my 68 Mustang GT Fastback (made famous by Steve McQueen as the Bullitt car). Boy was I pissed….
For some reason i can see the comment section but there is no article associated with Dont Drive dont Shower ?
That's because it's not an article. It's a thread, like a Twitter thread, for the exchange of comments and opinions. If you scroll up, there should be an introductory couple of sentences setting the topic.
Oops. That makes sense. Im at work and twitter is blocked, hence i see literally..nothing ;) thank you !
Oh, it's not on Twitter, it's here, right under the headline. Here's the intro inviting the discussion:
"Calls for energy conservation have started in parts of Europe. Drive less, shower quicker and perhaps not every day… but not because of emissions. Are we seeing reality trickle in or is this pure desperation?" :)
Okay NOW i got it. Keep it up and thanks.
Pleasure!